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Thanks for pointing this out, Benatar asymmetry is clearly flawed and I surprised antinatalists continue to use it when there are much better arguments out there. I think a better version, however, would give more weight to the bad things in life than the good. So non existence is valueless, good things are only slightly good (+1), and bad things are very bad (generally speaking) ( 2) with the end result still being creating life as net negative (again, generally speaking.)

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